Making Oriental Style Ice Cream

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  1. David Wilson says:

    Hi Anders, I read your article with some interest as I have looked for an effective Dondurma style ice cream recipe for awhile. I wondered if you have further details of the French Culinary Institute’s recipe or where I may obtain this information. I would be most grateful if you can help or point me in the right direction. Many thanks. David

    • Anders says:

      Hi David!

      Broadly speaking – and leaving aside their hi-tech tendency to freeze the ice creams with liquid nitrogen – that recipe uses 5 grams each of gellan and guar gum, together with 1 litre of dairy (equal parts milk and cream). Last time I checked, the whole fake-Dondurma recipe was accessible via the link in the post where the Culinary institute is mentioned:-)

      [UPDATE! The link should now take you to Cooking Issues, but the text of the article in question remains the same. Just in case there might be future hiccups, I take the liberty of putting up their recipe (flavoured with Darjeeling tea) here:

      24 grams Singell Darjeeling tea leaves (A second flush Darjeeling from Harney and Sons with a fruity, muscatel note)
      500 grams cold milk
      500 grams cold cream
      5 grams KelcoGel F Low Acyl Gellan Gum
      3 g salt
      5 grams TIC Flavor Free Guar (TIC is a company; they make a neutral tasting guar. Most guar is “beany” tasting –not delicious borlatti bean tasting either, just guar bean tasting.)
      150 grams granulated sugar
      2 scraped vanilla beans
      3 egg yolks (beaten)
      2 grams Calcium Lactate Gluconate

      Combine the milk, cream, and tea leaves. Infuse the mixture in a vacuum bag at full vacuum plus 30 seconds. Allow to steep till flavor is developed (about 1 hour). Strain tea from milk/cream mixture and add gellan, salt, and guar. Whisk vigorously to combine (this step disperses the gellan and begins to hydrate the guar). Bring the mixture to a boil while stirring (to hydrate the gellan). Simmer for 1 minute (ensures the gellan is hydrated). Remove from heat. Add sugar and vanilla and stir (drops the temperature a bit). When mixture drops to 83 or 82C add the egg yolks and stir (if you go higher you might curdle the eggs. The yolks increase the creaminess of the recipe). When the temperature drops to 70C mix in the calcium and stir (I read a reference that calcium added to milk/gellan systems might cause problems if added above this temperature. Calcium added below this temperature will also cause problems). Put mixture in an ice bath to set. When mixture is completely set, blend in a high-speed mixer till creamy. Freeze with liquid nitrogen in a Kitchen-Aid mixer fixed with a paddle attachment. Beat until the ice cream gets stringy and stretchy. To make creamy ice cream without the Salep feel omit the guar gum and increase the gellan to 7 grams. ].

      Best of luck – I would love to hear your views in case you try that one, or any other way to re-create Dondurma!

      Anders

  2. AMIN says:

    we are looking for DONDURMA DISPLAY FREEZER FOR ICE CREAM

    WHERE TO BUY THIS ITEM IN TURKIA

    BEST REGARDS
    AMIN

  3. Stylianos says:

    Hi Anders
    Great site, I love “good” ice cream. I have bought an ice cream maker so raring to get started. Well, in fact I’ve had a few goes but results although OK were not great.
    Coming from Greek parentage I can remember back what the ice cream and other goodies tasted like I now have the mastic gum so ready to go, I also bought some Salep but it’s not the flour but the drink, it contains 6.5% salep flour, would you have any thoughts on the amount I should add to a litre mix.
    Many thanks

    • Anders says:

      Hi Stylianos!

      Happy to hear that you like the site:)

      While you may have to experiment with the amount to find the balance the way you remember it, I will happily share the few rules of thumb I have picked up:
      Generally speaking, I have seen the advise that one should calculate with using about 4-5 times the amount of ‘original flour’ called for, if using the salep drink mixture. Since those drink mixtures often contain sugar, it would also be a good idea to remember to reduce the overall amount of sugar in the ice cream accordingly.

      In case you do not have any ‘original amount of flour’-recipes to calculate from, I would suggest trying out with about 70 ml (about 1/3 cup) of the mixture for a batch of 1 litre.

      Best of luck and I would love to hear back from you on how your ice cream turns out!

  4. Stylianos says:

    Hi Anders
    Happy New Year

    Success!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    At long last I have got around to making the ice cream and was it worth it…….. yes it was, after churning in machine I knocked 9 bells out of the mixture until my arm ached, did I get the result I was looking for, well almost, it was pretty stretchy and chewy when eaten the taste was divine, I have an idea which hopefully will improve the stretchiness, once I have tried it on the next batch if it works I will let you know 🙂
    What I did omit to tell you was about 10 years ago I met a Lebanese ice cream maker in London (I repaired his Carpigiani ice cream machine) he made some ice cream once I had repaired the machine, Pistachio ice cream which was amazing I did ask about his mix but of cause it was a highly guarded secret and although my batch was good not quiet up to his standard but I’m happy and feel I can only improve.

    • Anders says:

      Hi Stylianos!

      It is great to hear about your success – and I’ll be looking forward to hearing from you when you have polished your recipe even further! Hopefully, you won’t be as secretive as the Lebanese ice cream maker you met, and instead share the proportions and techniques that you consider are working well:-D

  5. Tony says:

    Hi Anders,
    I just got a hold of some real salep (don’t ask me how). While I’m waiting for the mastic to be delivered, I was wondering if you had a recipe for the “real deal” Dondurma. Much Appreciated, Tony

  6. Susan says:

    I tried using a bit of xantham gum in a batch of super-dark fudge gelato. I think I used too much chocolate (both powder and 80% bar chocolate) which made the result the consistency of fudge topping (as in hot fudge sunday, except cold), but the xantham gum made it very smoothe and held it together. I have saved it in the freezer. It is soft when frozen. I am going to use it to swirl through vanilla and coffee gelatos (by hand) after processing the gelato in the ice cream maker. I used a bit more than half a teaspoon of the powdered gum in the recipe that produced about 3 cups of product. Next time I make gelato I’m going to use less. I do like the texture it provides.

  7. Wally says:

    Is it the Salep or the Mastic that gives the stretch to Turkish Ice Cream? Or is it a combination of both?

    I’m wondering if I can keep the texture yet go for more western palate friendly flavors by using gum arabic and arrowroot.

    • Anders says:

      Wally,

      While I believe that the Mastic may contribute something, the main “stretch-giver” is clearly the Salep.
      I encourage you to experiment with the texture – the best way to find out if gum arabic and arrowroot works is probably simply to test!
      (As you probably have seen, there are also a few other suggestions for Salep-substitutes in the post itself)

  8. Dimitri says:

    Hello Mr. Anders, many thanks for so useful information about DONDURMA… I’m interesting where I can buy Salep and Mastic? writing from Georgia (Tbilisi) and can’t fined in Tbilisi anywhere…. can I buy it on AMAZONE or EBAY? I mean if every Salep which is on websites is made of ORCHID ROOTS? and if every Mastic corns is from CHIOS island?

    PLS if U can write me web-site where I can buy this ingredients…

    Thanks a lot…

    • Anders says:

      Hello Dimitri,

      As you can read in the article, trade with genuine salep is basically forbidden (for good reasons), so legally obtaining it should be difficult (salep used for drinking purposes is usually mixed with other ingredients but could perhaps do in a pinch). The Greek mastic from Chios, however, can be freely bought on the internet, including via Amazon.

      • dimitri says:

        Mr. Anders thanks for your reply and one question PLS, if we can’t get Salep legally, so we have to use GUAR GUM or GALLEN GUM or XANTHAM GUM to make dondurma, I’m interesting if these substances are harmfull for health??? as I this all these substances are GMO products….

        • Anders says:

          Dimitri,
          While there is an on-going debate about food additives in general, and while some people may be extra sensitive to some of them, all the mentioned stabilisers are commonly used. As far as I can tell, they have all been approved for use as food additives both by the European Union (each having been assigned so-called E-numbers), and by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Whether some of them may be based on GMOs could depend on the manufacturer, so you would need to check that before buying.

  9. Darabaih says:

    Hi Anders do you know where i could get the equipment’s to make this ice cream? as i am planning to open a shop that sells this ice cream in my area

    • Anders says:

      Hi Darabaih,

      Nope. You are hopefully much better situated than me to check the market(s) close to where you are. Best of luck with your plans!

  10. Jenny says:

    Have recently discovered your website and I want to try this particular recipe with the starch. Thank you for sharing your extensive knowledge about my favorite food.

  11. Tario says:

    Hi Anders,
    really very useful information and valuable information.
    I wounder if it is possible to make this oriental ice cream with different fruit flavors(lemon, Guava,Mango..etc) and how.
    and could you recommend me of a good quality brand natural flavor to use .

    thanks in advance 🙂

    Tario

    • Anders says:

      Hi Tario,

      Yes, it is certainly possible to make ‘oriental ice cream’ with fruit flavours: I would suggest that you begin experimenting with the Sicilian gelato-base and add, say, about 250 gram of puréed fruit + some extra sugar to sweeten it with (there should be several recipes on the site you could search inspiration from): add the sweetened purée to the ice cream base just before churning for a fresher, less “jam-like” overall flavour.

      If you feel adventurous, you could also experiment by combining the “typical oriental flavours” (rose water, orange blossom flower, exotic spices …) with the fruit/other flavours. Just be aware that not all combinations may be to your liking, so test them out beforehand – I still remember with horror my dashingly good-looking mastic-saffron ice cream which, frankly, tasted awfully 😉

  12. Ege Yılmaz says:

    Hello, I found this website while I was looking for a substitute for sahlep in ice-cream making because I cannot find it in the place that I am living now. You are saying that mastic or starch cannot do what sahlep can do.
    So what do you think I should use instead of sahlep?

    • Anders says:

      Hello Ege,

      As you can see in the post, some people suggest using guar gum (E 412) or Japanese konjac (konnyaku) flour, or a combination of Konjac flour and locust bean gum (E 410). If you look through the comments to the post above, you will also find a recipe which uses a mixture of gellan and guar gums (E418 and E 412, respectively), which supposedly should come very close to “the real Dondurma deal”. If you try any of them, please let me know how it turned out!

  13. Ellen says:

    Great post; I am currently obsessed with trying to make this. My question is this though…instead of the wooden spoon and hard labor to get the stretchiness, couldn’t I pour the mixture from my ice cream machine into my Kitchenaid with the dough hook or the paddle to do its magic?

    • Anders says:

      Hi Ellen,
      I suppose you’re trying your hand at Dondurma ice cream-making? Sure, you can certainly try with your Kitchenaid/dough hook – after all, if it doesn’t work out (the ice cream might turn out to be too thick and/or stretchy to work properly in the machine), you’re bound to find out rather quickly. Grab a wooden spoon for possible backup and give it a go! Best of luck!

      • Ellen says:

        Thank you Anders…..After much online “studying”, I have decided to go with the method demonstrated on YouTube by a gentleman in Turkey that makes/sells Dondurma. He explains that to get the stretchiness he continuously ladles the mixture back into pot over and over again while it is cooking on the stove. So he does it before he freezes it. I have 1/2 cup of Salep that I will never see again in my lifetime, and I’m treating it like gold. So I don’t want to mess this up. I am slightly terrified.

  14. Edwards johnson says:

    Anders, what is this 24 grams Singell Darjeeling tea leaves, and do I need it in my fake do dondurma? Also, can I use just a basic ice cream making machine and freezer cooling, to make it, and would I be able to make other flavors with it? Would love for the input…. Thnx

    • Anders says:

      Hi!
      You’ll have to ask the originators of that recipe about why they added tea leaves, but I would guess it was done to add to the flavour. Personally, I think you probably could do without them. Dondurma will probably be tricky to make solely in an “ordinary” ice cream machine because of its stretchy consistency: you may have to resort to manual pounding and/or a kitchen mixer (like, one which you would use for kneading dough).

      And yes, I have tasted “flavoured” Dondurma so different flavours can be done (I still liked the “natural” best, though 😉 ).

      Best of luck!

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